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Christianity Hybrid Religions by Julie Fonda Isn't it amazing how there are so many "hybrid" religions everywhere -- not just in Christianity, either. I think that American Christianity is revolting. (And I'm a Christian!) They preach a Caucasian Jesus who made his triumphant entry into Jerusalem on Palm Sunday, riding on the back of a convertible Mercedes Benz..... ha! There is so much absolute hogwash being espoused by ignorant people brainwashed by the concept of the "Gimmie-God." I have read the Bible through cover-to-cover several times and taken many classes in it, know some of the Latin, and can answer any questions that anybody has. (Hopefully.) To the person who was talking about Jesus not being God, but being the Son of God: The Bible starts in the Book of Genesis by indicating that there is more than one person in the Godhead. If you trace the language back to the original language, the word for God is translated as "Triune God". There are three Persons (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit), but there is only one God. There are hundreds of places in the Old Testament that talk about the coming of the Messiah, and how he is also God. It says in one of the Books about a Virgin bearing a son. All kinds of stuff. When Jesus was 12, his mother and Joseph couldn't find him, and finally they found him in the Temple. He makes a reference implying Deity, then. The reason that the Pontius Pilat killed him was because the Jews accused him of committing Blasphemy. He said, 'Before Abraham was, I AM." There are over 300 words for God in the Bible. One of the "biggies" was I AM. That is the reason - politically - that they killed him. One more comment: The Bible Belt and the Republican Party are fraught with uneducated "Christians" who practice what I call "Smorgasbord Christianity." A little of this -- a little of that -- a lot of prejudice and intolerance of other religions. I think that if a religion is true, it can stand alone on its truths and merits and you don't have to put down other people's beliefs -- as I'm sure that there are merits to their religions, too. By the way. I'm a Democrat and I'm NOT a Bible-Belt Believer. by Trevor Batten re: Julie's post After reading the theologies we have been offered, I'm afraid that I still can't help preferring the story of the monk and the leaves (or similar such stories). Perhaps one reason is the brevity of the story -but I believe there is something perhaps more relevant to the "big/little" "pattern/picture" discussion (which might possibly be the reason for my wasting time writing this message). I guess the bottom line is "belief". The story of the monk and the leaves does not ask me to believe in anything. I do not need to know if there really was such a monk, if he really did sweep the leaves, if he really did get frustrated -or if the master finally complimented him. The story exists in its own space -and it has a value -even if none of it ever happened. The Bible stories however, seem to me, to be different -they seem to have little "intrinsic" value. What is left if I do not believe the stories in the Bible? by Julie Fonda Re: Trevor's post Point well made. Is that how the theology marathon got started? by Trevor Batten Re: Julie's post Julie Fonda wrote: "Point well made. Is that how the theology marathon got started?" Who knows! I guess lonely humans huddled around the electronic hearth simply have a basic need to invent stories to explain how it all started..... ....then some idiot starts a discussion between little patterns and big pictures -and before you know it the whole business explodes into a population reducing exercise with everybody trying to prove that their picture is the biggest. In the meantime, people tend to forget what it all might mean, what the stories were meant to do -or to ask how things might look if one changed one's perspective....... It seems that there are mathematicians who claim that mathematics is not real, that it is an invention of the human mind -nevertheless, many people claim that the practice of mathematics has been of great help to them in solving practical problems. Perhaps the worst "big picture" of all -is the idea that things are either true (and valid) or false (and therefore bad)....... .....I suppose it is not entirely impossible, that the existence of a peaceful, moderate and pluralistic, Islamic society in Iraq might well be the best thing the world could wish for at the moment -if only the "big picture" guys in Washington would let it be........... by Cherrie Lynn Lipsett Re: Trevor's post What is left if you don't want to or can't believe the stories in the Bible? Anything that your experiences and your knowledge through study let's you believe. Make up your own belief if you have to have some kind of ultimate being that is leading you or mankind. by Trevor Batten Re: Cherrie's post Cherrie Lynn Lipsett wrote: "What is left if you don't want to or can't believe the stories in the Bible? Anything that your experiences and your knowledge through study lets you believe. Make up your own belief if you have to have some kind of ultimate being that is leading you or mankind." Personally, I don't like that answer perhaps because I don't do the things I do just so that somebody can imagine what ever they like. If I say "Happy Easter" to some body, I don't expect them to invent their own meaning - which is not say that there is never an element of ambiguity involved. What's the point of talking to people if they invent their own meaning without any regard to what you are trying to say? Byzantine by Trevor Batten From The Byzantine Forum -> 2. Byzantine Faith & Worship -> Ritual Church confusion (Page 1) : http://www.byzcath.org/bboard/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=2;t=001905 "I have a question. I have a friend who, was baptized in the Ruthenian Church ( at 22) but later found out he was baptized in a Protestant Church ( as a baby). He went through the Latin Tribunal and they determined that his ritual Church was in fact Latin and gave him a notized document from the Tribunal stating he was Latin Catholic through His Protestant Baptism. He started attending Mass for a couple years, but now wants to return to the Byzantine Church. Will they just reverse the Tribunal Statement or will he have to change Rites. This case is interesting because he was Baptized and Chrismated in the Ruthenian Church. Could he just resume his Byzantine status by just attending a Ruthenian parish or does he have to go through another tribunal thing? " And I thought formal systems (computer programming) were a useful way to bring clarity into complex situations (looks like my "big picture" has just received a bash too)...... by Trevor Batten See link for forwarded message: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/QuietPolyJuryFury/message/1470 |
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